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да,
вы же владеете и тем и другим методом рассуждений
Статистика: Добавлено Petter — Пн июл 24, 2017 09:43
Статистика: Добавлено Ялинка — Сб июл 22, 2017 23:38
Petter писал(а):
Do you mean that -L is about both inductive reasoning and deductive reasoning? And +L is also about both inductive reasoning and deductive reasoning?
Статистика: Добавлено Ялинка — Сб июл 22, 2017 23:34
Ёлочка писал(а):- incorrect premiseLII's L would be inductive (-L) and ILI's L would be deductive (+L).
Статистика: Добавлено Petter — Пт июл 21, 2017 09:01
LII's L would be inductive (-L) and ILI's L would be deductive (+L).
Статистика: Добавлено Ялинка — Чт июл 20, 2017 22:38
Статистика: Добавлено Petter — Чт июл 20, 2017 08:42
Nyyrikki писал(а):Petter писал(а):Is systematization a distinctive feature of -L?
Maybe. I'm not sure what type of systematization do you mean; my -L stands in vital circle so I often don't pay attention to it.Petter писал(а):
The question still remains, though. What counts as the general system in other areas? For example, mathematicians are usually LII (-L). That makes sense since mathematics is a big system of logical connections. But what about mathematicians who are ILI? Is ILI only interested in specific areas of mathematics?
Maybe. The only ILI I know in person is interested in business, though. I think they are rather interested in things that bring money... I'm not sure.
What counts as general system in other areas... It depends on how much information do you have about that specific area. For example, if I have sore eyes, it may be that I have got some infection having touched my eyes with hands that were not too clean. But it may be a more general problem: an infection that I have got earlear, caused by virus... An allergy I know of... An allergy that is caused by some new agent so I don't know of it... a malfunction of my immune system caused by some things that are extern to me... a malfunction of my immune system caused by some things that I have done myself...etc.
In each case the connections between what is malfunctioning are different and the methods of treatment have to pay attention to all of them. But if I omit something I don't have all the picture, only the part of it. And if I don't know anything about, let's say, immunology, I can't see the possible connections between my sore eyes and my sore throat of two weeks earlier.
Статистика: Добавлено Petter — Вс июл 02, 2017 11:39
Petter писал(а):
Is systematization a distinctive feature of -L?
Petter писал(а):
The question still remains, though. What counts as the general system in other areas? For example, mathematicians are usually LII (-L). That makes sense since mathematics is a big system of logical connections. But what about mathematicians who are ILI? Is ILI only interested in specific areas of mathematics?
Статистика: Добавлено Nyyrikki — Чт июн 29, 2017 13:06
Nyyrikki писал(а):Petter писал(а):Let's consider another example. An LSI repairs a car. There are lots of parts which he (or she) pays attention to. Is the "general system" the whole car? If yes, doesn't he pay attention to it?
So, let's see.
In your example an LSI is repairing a car. But you dont say anything about context. Is he repairing a car in vacuum? Or at home? Or in garage? What kind of garage? For himself? Or it is his job - to repair cars? What kind of job, what kind of business is this (big or small), what are the relationships between that particular car and other cars which are to be repaired, between him and customers, what are schedule times (if there are any)... That's the idea.
For +L all this isn't important. For -L - yes, it is.
In my example there are products and rules. Each product has its particular rules of distribution. +L considers each product (with its rules of distribution) separately. -L generalizes them and considers the whole - products and rules: what is in common between them and what doesn't fit the pattern. And if something doesn't fit (is illogical in the logic of this system), what can be done about this.
An LSI that repairs a car repairs a car. For him don't matter other cars if they are not for him to repair.
Статистика: Добавлено Petter — Вт июн 27, 2017 09:36
Jeremy8419 писал(а):
Petter, man... You aren't going to make sense of this, dude... Lol
You ever talk to girls, and be like... Wow... Girls make absolutely no sense... They think they do... They say they do... But really they're just emotional and making stuff up left and right that makes no sense with anything else they're saying...
THAT'S L-. Which is why it is always paired with E+ lol.
You've been stuck on this L+ vs L- for what? Like 2 years now? It never occurred to you in all that time that the person who said "- can do everything + can but also way more" is the SAME PERSON who juuuusssttttt sooooooo happennnnneeeedddd to at the saaaaammmeeeeee tiiiiimmmmmeeee say "oh, I have two 4D - functions and you have zero"? Wake up, man lol
Call L- illogical, L+ logical, slap a sticker on it, and be done with it.
Статистика: Добавлено Petter — Вт июн 27, 2017 08:19
Статистика: Добавлено Ялинка — Пн июн 26, 2017 23:27
Nyyrikki писал(а):Petter писал(а):Let's consider another example. An LSI repairs a car. There are lots of parts which he (or she) pays attention to. Is the "general system" the whole car? If yes, doesn't he pay attention to it?
So, let's see.
In your example an LSI is repairing a car. But you dont say anything about context. Is he repairing a car in vacuum? Or at home? Or in garage? What kind of garage? For himself? Or it is his job - to repair cars? What kind of job, what kind of business is this (big or small), what are the relationships between that particular car and other cars which are to be repaired, between him and customers, what are schedule times (if there are any)... That's the idea.
For +L all this isn't important. For -L - yes, it is.
In my example there are products and rules. Each product has its particular rules of distribution. +L considers each product (with its rules of distribution) separately. -L generalizes them and considers the whole - products and rules: what is in common between them and what doesn't fit the pattern. And if something doesn't fit (is illogical in the logic of this system), what can be done about this.
An LSI that repairs a car repairs a car. For him don't matter other cars if they are not for him to repair.
Статистика: Добавлено Jeremy8419 — Пн июн 26, 2017 21:29
Petter писал(а):
Let's consider another example. An LSI repairs a car. There are lots of parts which he (or she) pays attention to. Is the "general system" the whole car? If yes, doesn't he pay attention to it?
Статистика: Добавлено Nyyrikki — Пн июн 26, 2017 11:34